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here in the midwest, several young girls went missing. some were found murdered. others were never found at all. lawrie, 20, in appleton, wisconsin. rayna, from indiana. wendy felton, 16 from marion, indiana. michelle duey, 20, from indianapolis, indiana. all of these cases went
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unsolved. officials believed only one man knew what happened. >> we knew he was responsible for several deaths. >> and to get answers it would take a risky, unusual plan. send a convicted drug dealer undercover into a dangerous prison to befriend and alleged serial killer. >> i'm not a serial killer hunter. i said, how am i going to do this? >> at stake, answers. >> wondering where she is. what happened. >> peace for grieving families. >> you want to find her and bring her home and you can't. >> and one man's freedom. >> you don't just turn around and give out candy and say, you're free to go. i went through hell and back. >> early each day, donna reitler
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greets her daughter, trisha. >> i say "good morning" every morning. i look at that and i can hear her say -- hi, mom! >> trisha was very kind-hearted and very smart. >> as a child, says father, garry, trisha lit up the room. >> she would just bound into the room, spread her arms apart and say "ta-da!" that type of thing. >> they brought her here to marion, indiana, to attend this small, christian college. one spring evening in 1993, trisha left her dorm room for a walk. on march 29th around 8:00 at night, trisha reitler came here to this shopping center. she bought a soda and a magazine and started walking back to campus. but then, she disappeared. >> phone call came a little bit after midnight and the voice on the other side said, do you know
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where your daughter is? >> 19-year-old trisha lin reitler was seen at 8:00 on monday night. >> trisha's disappearance rocked the community and devastated her parents. >> 'we'll never know who was responsible what they've taken away from us. >> trisha's mother made a desperate appeal to trisha on the jerry springer show. >> hang in there and know we love you and we're doing everything we can to find you. >> despite huge media coverage and their pleas for answers, none ever came. >> it's like she just vanished into thin air. >> trisha was never found. >> young college students, they need to be aware. >> kristen was a zellar as iwu when trisha disappeared. >> we were advised to stay in our dorms if you were a girl. >> a week after trisha's disappearance, they needed to go to the marsh grocery store. >> you thought it would be safe
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and you would be fine? >> exactly. not far at all. i can see the campus. what's going to happen? >> it was getting dark by the time they left the shopping center walking the same route tricia would likely have taken. >> we were maybe halfway up the road when heather turned to me and said, did you happen to notice that brown van? and i said, no. >> then the van passed again, slowly. >> we still were not alarmed. he came by again. >> a third time? >> a third time, yup. really slow this time. looking at us. the hair on the back of our necks started to stand up. >> the van pulled up right up be side them. >> how close, show me. >> he was, i mean, his wheels were right on the side of the curb. this was me. this was heather and helened over and started to say something and at that point we were both like -- run, just run. >> the girls called security, describing a two-tone van driven
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by a man with mutton chopped side burns. officers spotted the van and talked to the driver, a man named larry hall. he said he was looking for a friend's address but the address he gave didn't exist. so officers let hall go. september 20th, 1993. six months after trisha's disappearance, now 15-year-old jessica roach goes missing in georgetown, illinois. investigator gary miller got the call. >> we all knew that we had something really bad here. we had an abduction. >> jessica's badly decompose body was found in an indiana cornfield weeks later. but then, like trisha's jessica's case went cold. >> there's a lot of times you wonder whether you'll ever solve it but you know you'll keep going and check everything out
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and recheck everything. >> for over a year, miller scoured local police reports and then, a break. a vehicle reported in a county nearby. the owner? larry hall. >> he had been involved in stopping some girls. those girls were scared. they ran from him. >> in the last six months, hall's van was spotted by more than 11 girls in five different towns close by. including those where jessica lived and where her body was found. now, miller contacted the police in hall's hometown to arrange for an interview. >> he initially said, no. he hadn't been over here. >> miller had to coax hall to admit being near jessica's house. >> i saiding with well, would you remember if you stopped and offered girls a ride and asked them to get in your van? >> he said he stops and talks to. >> everybody after a few
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questions, miller took a gamble. and he put a photo of jessica down in front of hall. >> he immediately flinched. he turned to his right and he put his hand up over his face like he didn't want to see the picture. he told me he didn't think he had ever seen that girl. >> later, a heartbreaking mystery -- >> there's so little that we can do to find her. i just want to bring her home. >> and the dangerous plan to solve it. looking good! you lost some weight. you noticed! these clothes are too big, so i'm donating them. how'd you do it? eating right, whole grain. [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios... five whole grains, 110 calories. this past year alone.. there was a 93% increase in cyber attacks. in financial transactions... on devices... in social interactions... and applications in the cloud.
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that i hadn't got enough oxygen to me or something. >> identical twin sons growing up hard. in the hall home there was little money and lots of problems. author hillel levin interviewed larry hall. >> it was a very cluttered household. they were raised with dysfunction. >> the neighbors say the mother was domineering. the father drank and sometimes turned violent. he worked at the local cemetery. what was it like growing up to a seb cemetery? was it creepy? >> no, not at all, not for me. at 12 years of age, larry and i started working at the cemetery. >> as he grew older, larry had problems fitting in at school. >> he was always the backward twin. i was the more dominant out going twin. he hung out with what my wife and i and a lot of fellow
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classmates, called "the misfits" or the "stinky" crowd. >> still, the boys were best friends and as young men gary and larry developed a unusual hobby as civil war re-enactors. >> during that time period, i was able to travel around and meet him at battlefields and go on tours and stuff. it was a lot of fun. >> larry was hooked, even growing the mutton chops from his hair tlooin his seoul. though the re-enactment helped larry make friends he still struggled with women. >> what was he like around young women growing up? >> very awkward, quiet, backward. >> did he ever talk to you about urges he reportedly says he had urges about women? >> oh, my, gosh. it was absolutely -- it was out of bounds.
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i had no idea -- >> jimmy keen grew up 125 miles away in illinois. he didn't know larry hall and he had no idea that their worlds would some day collide. >> third down and five at the 25 yard line. >> for jimmy keen, life couldn't have been more different. while hall was an awkward outsider, jimmy keen was a star! especially under the lights on friday nights. >> we would come out here. the lights would be on. the whole stadium would be just completely full and the crowd would be roaring and it was just
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a very yeuphoric high. the friday night games were the biggest rush i ever had in my life. >> a gifted athlete, he lettered in two sports, studied martial arts and inspired fear in everyone he faced. you like having people terrified of you just a little bit? >> in that kind of sport, sure, you have to. that's why they called me "the assassin." my nickname was "the assassin." the reason is because i put somebody out in every game i ever played. >> keen wasn't just the hometown hero, he was his father's namesake. >> my dad gentry sat up in the corner. if i made a spectacular play he would give me the -- you did goodison." >> how often did he sit in the stands. >> every game. he never missed my practices. >> did that mean a lot to you? >> absolutely. >> he was my backbone. >> keen was as popular as he was
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athletic. >> you're a legend? >> no doubt. they had posters of me all over town. everybody knew who i was with my sports ability. so, yeah, i was the most popular guy around. no question, i was voted most popular guy in school. >> jimmy seemed to have everything. except enough money to keep up with the rich kids at school. and he only saw one way to get it. he started selling drugs at school. and quickly learned, he was good at it. >> you're making decent money you don't think, is this a wrong thing that you're doing. so i kept growing into it and growing into it and by the time i was 20 years old i was sitting on top of an empire. >> by keen's own account, he was pulling in around $1 million a year! he was addicted. not to the drugs, but the money. >> it's hard to walk away from that kind of money, especially a
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20 year old. >> so, he didn't. and that single decision would change the rest of jimmy keen's life. and bring him face-to-face with an alleged serial killer. impressive resume. thank you.
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extra hp. by the early '90s, jimmy keene was on top of the world. his booming business afforded him a lavish lifestyle with large homes, souped up corvettes and an endless supply of women. >> i would have 30 or 40 keg parties with volleyball nets, live bands. we'd have literally a thousand people or more sometimes. these were gigantic, huge parties. >> you were the guy women wanted to be with and device wanted to be best friends with. >> something like that. >> back then, he owned this 6,000 square foot home. >> right behind that is a golf course. he says he didn't stash the drugs here. >> this is a walk-in closet. >> but there was always a place to hide his fortunes.
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>> this was a hidden trap door that you could open and when you open it, you have another hidden kro set back in here. you can see my old safe is still here. this was pretty much my ft. knox room. >> for 15 years, keene's empire remained hidden and growing. but as he lived the high life, his father fell on hard times, nearing the brink of financial ruin. >> my dad, to me, was superman. so see him in such a hurt way really killed me. >> so jimmy used his drug fortune to bail his father out. then continued to support him. >> even though it was coming wrong i felt i did something very right to make his world right. >> but the money never seemed to be enough. and keene couldn't stop watching his back. by the fall of 1996, the pressure of life in the fast lane was catching up. >> i had woke up in the middle
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of the night and i was laying there wide awake and i thought, i'm tired of running like this. i really just want this all to end. >> and it was all about to end but not the way keene had planned. two weeks later -- >> i heard the front door rattle and i thought it was the wind. it was no. next thank you know, boom, the whole door blew off the hinges and they came flying in a straight file line and guns drawn and black uniforms. we'll blow your head off, move one time -- >> for jimmy keene it was over. >> everything stops and goes in slow motion. you don't even feel like it's real. >> he was ultimately dragged to vail. he immediated guilty hoping to minimize his sentence and at first, the federal prosecutor larry beaumont was willing to negotiate. >> initially we tried to what we call "flip" him to see if he would give us other drug dealers at the time. and i think he refused so our
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reaction was to make sure he gets the maximum penalty. >> beaumont got his way and keene got ten years. it knocked the life out of him and broke his father's heart. >> any hopes and dreams he had had for me at that point in life, were gone. he was crushed. i mean, he was very crushed. >> jimmy couldn't imagine a way out. nor guess that a man he had never met might some day provide him one. november, 1994, wabash, indiana. it had been two weeks since larry hall recoiled from a photo of jessica roach. and investigator gary miller had a gut instinct. >> i really think we're on to something. he portrays this weak timid person, but, you know, i don't think he truly is.
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>> miller thought hall was vicious and as the investigation unfolded, miller also thought he knew how hall abducted jessica roach. >> when he first seen her, she was riding from toward the house going down this way. >> hall followed and stopped to talk. jessica got scared and backed away. >> that's when he opens the door, grabs her and there's a physical confrontation where he overpowers her. put her in his van and left, probably going up this road right past her house. >> in an interview in the wabash police station, hall surprised investigators by explaining what happened next. i tied her up but i can't remember with what. i took her pants off. hall said he raped her and led her off through the woods. i laid her up against a tree and
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put a belt around her neck and she stopped breathing. hall said he strangled jessica from behind so he didn't have to see her face as she died. and that wasn't all. all of the girls looked alike, hall said. i cannot remember all of them. i picked up several girls in other areas but i can't remember which ones i hurt. several girls in other areas. there were more victims than just jessica roach. hall said he'd also been near the campus of indiana wesleyan university or trish shall reitler had disappeared. i was over there because i needed to be with somebody. it was a small shopping center. i had a van. hall said he raped and strangled a girl here, too. and then he identified his victim, by pointing to tricia's
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picture. tricia's disappearance had remained a mystery for 18 months. >> we were just kind of sitting on the sidelines waiting for information to come in. >> with little evidence and local police insisting on another suspect, tricia's parents, garry and donna still suffered. >> with each thing that came in the urgency was great. and the heartache was great, too. and. anticipation and the hope. >> hall's confession met the reitler's might at least find their daughter. and that gary miller had found the killer of jessica roach. but the next day, hall changed his story. >> as i was talking to him he said, i was just telling you about my dreams. that didn't really happen. he said, it was just my dreams. i said, larry, that's not what you said. you said it happened and you didn't like talking about it because you didn't like the things you had done but you never mentioned it being a dream. >> but he stuck to his new story. larry hall was recanting
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i'm joe jones john's. wrap up day one of deliberations in the casey anthony case. they reviewed the case for nearly six hours but did not reach a verdict. deliberations continue tomorrow morning and prosecutors insist casey anthony had the motive to kill 2-year-old caylee but the defense argues there's no evidence of murder. if convicted, casey could get
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the death penalty. eight people missing after a tour boat sank off the coast of baja, california. the wreck killed at least one american. there were 27 americans on board. the tour boat capsized on sunday morning after hitting rough weather and sank almost immediately. 44 total passengers on board. chavez made an unexpected return to venezuela today and the venezuelan president had been in the hospital. he addressed the crowd and said he will win the battle for life. chavez admitted last week to having a cancerous tumor removed and says he remains under strict supervision of doctor. "to catch a serial killer" returns now. >> larry hall had confess dodd
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killing jessica roach, trisha reitler and two other women. and then he took it all back, claiming it was just his imagination. >> i did confess to certain policemen that i had dreams that i did things. >> but investigator gary miller had other evidence like the witness who drove by this cornfield the night of jessica's murder. >> that person testified that he was absolutely sure that when he went by here that night there was a van and a guy coming from the co the corn field to get in his van. >> a search of hall's house and van revealed he had been casing out small college towns and keeping suspicious notes. "seen joggers and bikers. many alone. check colleges, parks. seen some prospects." hall also made lists for the hardware store.
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"buy two more plastic tarps. cover all floor and sides of van." and hall wrote himself -- troubling instructions. no body contact. buy condomless. buy two more leather belts. find one now! among his things, investigators found newspaper clippings about roach and reitler, possessions from other missing girls and pornographic pictures hall had altered. >> in those pictures, he had drawn what looked like a rope or belt around the neck of one of -- of the left side of the mouth he had drawn blood. >> hall insisted it was all just staged, to make a play for attention. to feel important to police. >> i put a bunch of stuff in that van that i drove around with because i knew they'd eventually search my van and find them. >> during larry's trial, his twin brother, gary, tried to
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provide him an alibi, still, federal prosecutor larry beaumont, got hall convicted of kidnapping jessica roach. >> in the federal system, if you're guilty of a kidnapping and that kidnapping resulted in a death, under the sentencing guidelines it's a mandatory life term. >> the jessica roach case was over. but the disappearance of tricia reitler remained unsolved. and her parents, garry reitler and donna, could not stop looking. >> we walked the sides of the roads. the riverbeds. we looked under the culverts. we went to crack houses because somebody had a lead. >> if you see something on the side of the road, a garbage bag, whatever, it's like -- could that be her? >> it was such a horrendous crime to lose your daughter and never find out what the heck happened to her. >> larry beaumont kept looking too. >> i actually made arrangements on a couple of occasions to go out and look for the body.
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>> beaumont called in specialized military and law enforcement units to search. >> we were not able to find it. so rather than give up, it occurred to me that obviously, larry hall knew. >> beaumont needed answers and turned to an unlikely source to get them. he needed someone to befriend larry hall. someone charismatic, someone on the inside. larry beaumont needed jimmy keene. he had sent both keene and hall to prison. now he hatched a risky plan that would bring them together. keene was ten months into his sentence when beaumont brought him into talk. >> scared me. i thought it was a trick. >> keene watched nervously as beaumont pushed a folder across the table. >> and i open it up and the first thing i seen was a picture of a mutilated dead girl. and i flipped the next page and
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there was a different mutilated dead girl. >> and there was a portrait of tricia reitler. >> at that moment i looked up at him and he said, we need you to help us with this case. >> beaumont wanted keene to go undercover, to transfer from his low security lockup to a dangerous prison. and to befriend alleged serial killer larry hall. >> he says, if you can get solid confessions from him and if you can help us locate the bodies that are still missing, we're willing to completely wash your record. >> keene's mission? to learn where tricia reitler was buried. >> the purpose of this operation was to find that body. >> beaumont made it clear, no body, no early release. keene would have to serve the rest of his ten-year sentence. but beaumont believed keene could do it. >> he's smart. he's articulate. he's not afraid. and i knew he wanted to get out. >> for keene, it was a chance tore redemption. to restore his family name and,
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says arthur hmplt illel levin, to get his life back on track. >> this deal was a way for him to get home and also a way for him to do good, and kind of take that bad thing he had done and somehow turn it inside out and make it something that would solve a crime. >> but it wouldn't be easy. >> it's fair to say he was risking his life. he could have been killed. >> it was dangerous, absolutely. >> it was highly risky. these people in those types of places haven't got anything better to do than try to hurt you and kill you, too. >> keene was unsure. but a phone call home but his doubts to rest. his stepmother said his father had suffered a stroke. >> she said, he's in really bad shape. we wish you were here. this is terrible that you're in a spot where you're in right now because we could lose him. >> keene needed to get home fast and there was only one way to make that happen.
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>> drive, up to the prison in
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stringfield, missouri, jimmy keene didn't know if he made the best or worst decision of his life. >> i started to get cold feet. and i looked at the u.s. marshal and i said, listen, how do we nobo mont will live up to his word? they all assured me he would. i said, i'm not sure if i can do this. >> but there was no turning back. and he needed to prepare. agents had warned him to be careful. >> we don't want you to approach him for at least six months because he's a very cagey individual. if he senses one thing wrong, he goes into a shell like a turtle and you'll never get him back out once he's in. >> but keene didn't have time to wait. he needed to get home to his ailing father so hours after becoming a springfield inmate, he spotted larry hall. and he made his first move. >> i made it a point for us to bump shoulders and as we gently bumped shoulders i said, excuse
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me, i said, i'm new here, you wouldn't happen to know where the library is, would you? >> hall offered to show keene the way. >> and i reached over and slapped him on the shoulder and i said, thanks a lot, i appreciate that from a cool guy like you. >> over the next week, keene watched hall's every move from his cell across the hall. >> i walked up to him and i says, this is where i'm at, are you in this area here and he says, yeah, i'm right there. and his you'res bug out of his head. i said, that's great. you're right by me. i told you you were a cool by and i'm glad you're by me and all this and that and that's when he basically offered if i ever want to have breakfast with him and his friends. >> keene was making progress, slowly gaining hall's trust. but life at springfield was complicated. and dangerous. so keene figured out a way to use violence to his advantage. it was a saturday night and hall was in the tv room, mesmerized by an episode of "america's most
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wanted" about serial killers. suddenly another inmate approached the tv. and. >> you could tell he'd been in o'for a long time, he was a real big buff guy. he walked up, looked at ever b everybody and turned the channel. and i found it very interesting. larry looked at me and very quietly mumbled under his breath, hey, i was watching that show. >> keene leaped into action and knocked the guy out. >> i nailed him with an upper cut and kicked him through three rows of chairs. he was beat up real bad and had to go to the hospital and they took me and threw me in the hole. >> it was worth it. and it was a breakthrough with hall. >> he not only now looked at me as a guy he could look at and say, wow, he thinks i'm cool coming from him, that's a compliment. and now he's also able to protect me. >> now, keene had hall's trust
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and had him talking. one night, in hall's cell, he told keene the truth about what happened to tricia reitler. but what hall told keene was different from what some investigators believed. it was his story, along with some evidence that created a roadmap i wanted to follow to try to figure out what happened to tricia reitler. tricia would have left this supermarket parking lot, walking just a couple of blocks back to campus. somewhere along this road, hall told keene he got tricia into his van when she fought off his advances, he said he choked her to keep her quiet. hall told keene he blacked out
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and when he woke up, tricia was naked and lifeless. days after her disappearance, investigators found her blood-soaked clothes here, just one block from the supermarket. hall's own notes indicate what might have happened next. exactly one week after tricia's disappearance, hall wrote -- cut out stained carpet. vacuumed van thoroughly. buy new hack saw blades. clean all tools. along with his notes was this address, 700 west slocum, in the woods, halfway between marion and wabash and it is possible that somewhere out here, tricia reitler is buried. >> he said, so he got some lime together, a shovel and a lantern and he buried her out in the
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woods. >> he admitted to you he buried her in the woods? >> several times he admitted that, yes. >> i basically made him feel like it was okay to tell me his secret. >> but keene still needed the secret that would set him free. the exact location of tricia's body. weeks later, he thought he nailed it when he found hall hovered over a map in the prison workshop. >> it was a map with red dots over indiana, illinois and wisconsin and he covered it up really fast. >> lined up at the edge of the map were a dozen wooden falcons. >> i said, wow, this is pretty cool, did you make these? he said, yeah, i make them. it's really cool, jim. they watch over the dead. >> falcons, to watch over the dead, and a map mark with dots. it was the information keene thought would surely lead to the exact location of tricia's body. >> and that moment did you
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think, this is my ticket to freedom? >> i did. because i thought this is it. i've got solid confessions out of him. we know specific details. we know how he's done it now. >> keene believed he had his answer. he'd soon be free. that he was done forever with larry hall. so that night, at lockdown, keene decided to tell hall what he really thought. >> i told him he was a [bleep]ing sicko. that he was insane. you're one of the most despicable forms of human life on this planet. all of the sudden he was terrified of me and he says, beaumont sent you, didn't he? beaumont sent you, didn't he? >> keene had blown his cover. and his outburst landed him in solitary confinement. >> it took some time before we found out they put jimmy in the hole so he was not able to communicate with anybody on the outside. >> by then, hall's map and the
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>> during his months in springfield, jimmy keene got larry hall to provide details about several murders hall was suspected of committing, including tricia reitler's. but keene had not met the original requirements of larry beaumont's deal. >> i told this myself, made it clear to him, we didn't find the body, no body, no credit. >> sitting in his prison cell, jimmy keene desperately hoped he had done enough. >> are they going to be fair and give me what's justifiably right on this? or are they going to say, here's
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six months? it was a crap shoot. >> without a location for reitler's body, beaumont had a decision to make. >> i made arrangements to have him take a polygraph test to verify was telling us was the truth which he passed and he made a legitimate effort to do what we sent him down there to do. >> so beaumont urged a federal judge to give keene credit for time served. jimmy keene became a free man and returned home to his aging father. what did you feel like when you were finally released? >> i was happy as could be. it was a very bizarre roller coaster that i went on. it was -- i mean, redemption at its best. >> keene had five more good years to be with his father before big jim passed away. >> we both realized once i got out that there is a better world than just always in a constant
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dash to make money. it's like, let's enjoy each other while we're alive here, you know? >> it was closure for keene, but not for the families of the alleged victims of larry hall. for years, there was no progress and no relief for people like donna and garry reitler. >> as a parent, there's the part that you flutter down and you want to find her and bring her home and you can't. i mean, we've done pretty much physically everything that we can to find her. and there's somebody out there that holds that one answer for us. >> beaumont, too, fell he had done all he could and the pursuit of larry hall was over. >> there wasn't going to be no further prosecution from the federal perspective. he's already serving life imprisonment. he was done. >> once again, larry hall had slipped off the radar. and it easily could have remained that way, except for
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jimmy keene. first, keene's story of strange redemption was featured in a "playboy" article and a book written by keene and hillel levin. >> once we were able to write about what jimmy went through, then things happened. >> keene's story refocused attention on larry hall. helped re-open cold cases and put pressure on his twin brother, gary, now gary stopped defending larry and started talking. >> larry, just like jimmy keene calls him, and he is. he's a baby killer. >> you think your brother is a baby killer. >> i don't have no doubt in my mind. >> do you think your brother killed more than jessica roach? >> yes. >> do you think your brother killed tricia reitler? >> yes. >> rayna riceon? >> michelle duey?
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>> yes. >> as he talked more openly, detectives approached him asking pore help. >> i went with the indianapolis detectives to try to get my brother to confess. he made me leave the room. he did, in fact, confess on tape to 15 serial murders. >> larry later retracted, again. and while he can't ever seem to stick to one story, he does, sometimes, seem to have regrets. >> i didn't want to keep living my life the way i was living it. i wanted things to be different, you know, but i guess i didn't really do the right things and change the way my life was going. >> larry hall refused our request for an interview. he has never been charged with crimes against anyone other than jessica roach. but keene's story has caused officials across the country to take another look at hall. >> in november of 2010,
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investigators from the town of what that chee police department interviewed mr. hall at a federal prison in north carolina. >> in that interview hall admitted murdering lori depeaze and provided clues of where to find her body. >> multiple agencies are looking into him. >> larry hall may have had more victims than ever imagined. >> we understand it's even more extensive than we ever thought. not 20, but maybe 30 to 40, in terms of the victims. >> that leaves 30 or 40 families still awaiting answers. which is why, says levin, it's critical that serial investigations do not stop. 18 years after tricia reitler vanished her father, gary, believes larry hall knows where to find her. >> i think if larry knew what we go through on a daily basis, you
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know, wondering where she is. wondering what happened, i don't think he would have any choice but to confess and let us know where she's buried. >> donna reitler is not as sure. >> he confessed. he recanted. he confessed, he recanted. without a body, it's just another possibility. >> more than anything else, they just want their daughter back. >> to have a place to lay her to rest, just to be able to sit and just talk to her. >> as for jimmy keene, his truth is stranger than fiction. he's gone from football standout to drug dealer to undercover operative. and now -- to screen star. with his story in development as a hollywood film. still, says keene, he thinks of
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the victims' families and hopes they'll find their answers. >> that's all they can do is keep hoping. there was a glimmer of hope when jimmy keene was involved. maybe something else will still evolve out of this. maybe the things i'm done and am still doing will shine a light and give them hope at some point. for two years, the bodies of black children has been found in the woods, then the rivers of atlanta, georgia. in all, more than two dozen victims, mostly stranded. by 1981 the police and fbi were hiding in the brush beside and
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below the river bridges. this was to be the last night, almost the last hour. >> i heard the splash. >> bob campbell, a police recruit, jumped to his feet, down beside the chattahoochee river. >> he came to a ridge. >> i saw red lights and the car started slowly moving away from me on the bridge. >> campbell radioed the other team members up above him. >> i asked, did a car stop on the bridge? you know, i couldn't believe what i saw. and each person told me they didn't see it. >> then a policeman in a chase car, hidden on the other side, came on the radio. >> he just said the car is pulling in the parking lot here turning around in front of me. started to come back in my direction crossing the bridge. >> this is that white station wagon. police followed it and stopped
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it nearby. fbi agent rushed to the scene. the driver was standing by the highway. >> he was talking with the officers. saw a black male. he had on a baseball hat. glasses. >> the young man was wayne williams, about to turn 23. a self-anointed music talent scout who slept days and roamed the city at night. he was invited over to his car. >> he got in the car and i said -- do you know why we're here? and he immediately said, yes, it's about the missing children. that stunned me and i said, what do you know about that? he said, i don't think the various news agencies are covering it adequately, do you? >> two weeks later, this headline would break the news of that night on the bridge. wayne williams would be sent to prison to serve two life sentences for murder. at first glance, he hardly looks like a serial killer.
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not much more than five and a half feet tall and barely, 150 pounds. now in his 50s and growing bald. >> the bottom line is, nobody ever testified of even claimed they saw me strike another person, choke another person, stab, beat or kill or hurt anybody because i didn't. >> this is the first time wayne williams has talked on tv in at least a decade. >> why do you think you were convicted? >> fear. >> what do you mean? >> atlanta, at the time, was in a panic. they wanted any suspect they could find and, let's be honest, it had to be a black person. if it had been a white suspect, atlanta probably would have gone up in flames. it came very close to that. >> do you think you'll ever be free? >> it's not a matter of if to me, it's a matter of when. >> some 30 years after wayne
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williams' trial and conviction, there's still debate and some doubt. this time you can be the judge and jury. we'll lay out the evidence on both sides and you'll hear from wayne williams at length. then we'll invite you to reach your own verdict, guilty, innocent, or a third choice, not proven. the first clue was found on a dead boy's tennis shoes. the victim was eric middlebrooks. his body left here, in a rain y alley. a foster child who rode his bike away one night on an errand and was dead the next morning. the officer something red stuck to his tennis shoe. >> i noticed in the flap of the edge of the shoe, this tuft of what to me, appeared to be wool. that was it. we could find no other evidence. >> back at homicide, buffington
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showed the fiber to his superiors. >> the lieutenant made a big joke about it and told the rest of the squad if i went over to the lieutenant's house and cleaned out the lint trap in his dryer we could probably clear out all the cases in the city of atlanta. >> still, buffsington sent the fibers to the state crime laboratory. a young forensic strien test, larry peterson, took a look. why was a fiber stuck in the crack of a shoe -- >> it was somewhat loosely there. and people don't normally have tufts of carpet fiber loosely stuck in their shoe. >> from those thin threads, peterson would begin to build a case to catch a killer. >> how many fibers across the board, did you look at every day in this case? when the case really started getting busy, 100?
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500, 1,000? >> literally, there will be hundreds if not thousands of fibers there, depending on the case. >> in the spring of 1980, nobody wanted to believe a serial killer was loose in the city, even when bob buffington spotted a disturbing pattern. >> there had been a sharp increase in the number of children under the age of 14, who had been killed. >> when he told his boss at homicide, the major threatened to transfer him. >> and i truly think they were afraid that there would be a panic. >> it was this mother, after the loss of her 9-year-old son who finally forced police to listen, but not until almost a year after her boy died. camille bell and her children lived in these project apartments. poor to the eye, but rich in mind and spirit.
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joseph bell was an honor program in the gifted program in school. on a warm october sunday, in 1979, he walked away on an errand to buy snuff for an elderly lady downstairs. >> he went barefooted in a pair of brown shorts. he got to the store, he bought the snuff. he started back home. >> less than half a block from this store, he stepped off this curb -- and vanished. >> and nobody saw anybody do anything or anything. but they did see him come back across the street and that's the last that we saw him. >> camille bell called the police. they came and said they'd write a report. that's all. days went by. camille waited with two older children and his 3-year-old sister. >> she's terrified if he can go
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to the store and they can steal him, then she doesn't want to leave the house. she doesn't want to do anything. >> camille hid her own fear from her children. >> and you've got to hold them together so you can't act as scared as you are. >> the body of ucef bell was found in an abandoned schoolhouse. >> his body would not turn you have for another month. ucef bell had been strangled. >> all of what could have been, should have been and probably koosk was taken away and we'll never know now because somebody decided that it was all right to just kill a little kid because they wanted to. >> for a long time, the 3 year old would look for ucef every time it was a foggy day. >> and we'd go out into the fog and she would go as far as she would into the fog and i'd say,
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come back here. and she would say, i got to go find my brother. the clouds came down so ucef can come down. >> the child, her mother said, had confused the fog with heaven. still ahead, the boy that was too brave. >> he was like, man, i want to find this killer and get this reward money. >> a drive-by threat against the fbi chief's child. >> some guy in a pickup truck said, i'm going to get you nigger. >> and in the end, the curious question of the cia -- >> when you're 19 years old, you say you work for the cia, you've been recruited. >> i'll let the document speak for itself. i'm not going to comment on that. >> then, you know how to kill someone with a choke hold? that's a yes or no answer. >> no, it's not.
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to camille bell. >> children were dying on the streets of atlanta in the daytime. >> among them, jeffrey mathis, only 10. like yusef bell, he walked down the street on an errand to this gas station to buy cigarettes for his mother. she never saw him again. >> what we had here was a predator. what he was looking for was somebody who was caught off and hurt. if you don't realize you're in trouble until you're in trouble, then you have no way of getting out. >> it would be another year before jeffrey mathis' body was found in the woods, miles from home. his mother would join camille bell in forming a committee to confront the city's leaders. >> the reaction of the police was that we were overreacting
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and that there was no serial killer. >> own though, by now, six black children were dead. four others were missing. >> perhaps we were like, distraught parents that really needed everyone's sympathy, but nobody needed to do anything. >> for years, it has been a dirty, little secret among the press and the police. deaths of blacks draw less attention than deaths of whites. >> nobody cared, so you could have several killings go on and if the people were poor, then no one discovered there was a serial killing. if you were black and poor, then really nobody looked, especially if you were black and poor and southern. >> police were slow to recognize these deaths were different. many of the bodies were left in the woods, far from home, unlike most murder victims who are
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found where they fall. >> unsolved murders of children is very rare. if a 9-year-old got killed it was somebody slapped him across the room, he hit his head and he died. >> police did not created a task force until a year after the first murders began. fbi profiler roy hazelwood came down to help. three detectives drove him around the city and turned into jeffery mathis's neighborhood. >> as soon as we went down the street, everybody stopped. i was like, what's going on. everything is stopped. they said, laughingly, that's because we have a honky in the car. >> john glover, who took over as fbi chief in atlanta that summer said that's why he and hazelwood decided the killer had to be
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black. >> the killer is someone who is invisible in the black community and who is invisible in the black community than another black person. >> welcome harris was one of the first task force detectives. he knew it had to be someone who went unnoticed. >> we felt like it was somebody who could come in the neighborhood and get these children and not draw attention to themselves. >> the question of which race struck a raw nerve. it had been only a dozen years since the murder of dr. martin luther king. on the surface, atlanta was a well-integrated city. beneath the surface, it remained separate and unequal. >> my prayer and the prayer of everybody in there was we wanted the person to be black and the reason why you wanted him to be black, i knew what it would do if it had of been a white person or somebody of another race.
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>> in the black community in the early '80s, a black serial killer was unheard of. all the classic serial killers were white. never black. >> didn't mean we didn't have one there. >> today, black serial killers are not rare. in 2009, here in cleveland, as well as in milwaukee and los angeles, each time the accused serial killer turned out to be african-american. dr. eric hickey is a psychologist who keeps track of serial killers. >> overall in my study, one out of every five serial killers is african-american. in the past, since 1995, over 40% are african-american. we're finally saying, what blacks do, there's two. >> there were whites who fed the fear in atlanta. as fbi chief john glover had
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moved into this upper class white neighborhood, his 12-year-old son was playing outside one afternoon. >> some guy in a pickup truck was out in the yard, and our side yard, we were on a corner, we had a corner lot. said, "i'm going to get you nigger." as he was driving by. >> kaseem reed seen in the childhood photos was only 10 when the bodies were found in the woods close to his home in the summer of 1979. >> my life did change. >> how so? >> not out as late as you used to be. not able to ride your bike unaccompanied. >> in 2010, reed would become the mayor of atlanta. but back then, as the youngest boy in the family, his teenage brothers were his protectors. >> i didn't move without my brothers for about a year. >> the bulk of the victims were
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boys like you. >> you're right. >> your age. >> yes. >> black boys. >> yes. >> did you personally feel afraid? >> i can't honestly say i felt afraid, except for at moments. you would have a van slow down and everybody was very mindful of vans at the time. >> people were suspicious of everybody. and they were afraid. and the children -- you had children walking the street, cargos by and you see some of them worry in fear. >> and for good reason. the murders were about to increase to a body almost every week. ♪ in the time of trouble ♪ coming up, a creature of the night. >> then an ex-news reporter, nighttime is me, that's the time i'm out most of the time. >> and a mystery within a
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>> so many of the children who kid were poor. who earned spending money carrying groceries, running errands for others, or like lubie geter, pedaling car deodorizer outside the market. his mother worried about his going off alone. >> he said, he was a big boy. they had to catch him first. >> lubie was a good student, a sophomore in high school. a witness at the shopping center that day saw lubie with a man
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and helped a police artist draw this sketch. a man with a baseball cap, perhaps, a scar on his cheek. lubie never came home. >> i believe he had been kidnapped. >> police searched the woods and atlanta. they did not find lubie. instead, police found two other bodies. young boys who had disappeared ten miles and a month apart. yet, both left here, at the same dumping ground. the number of known dead now 15. the unsolved murders of so many children had become front-page news around the nation and the world. >> this is the reward -- >> the city announced a $100,000 reward, soon to grow to half a million. the task force was swamped with sketches of suspects, none of them alike and many suggests by
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psychics. at the state crime lab, larry peterson was sifting through thousands of fibers. nylon, ray onray on, acountry lick, asetate. >> it was like looking for multiple needles in multiple hey staks. and then a breakthrough. peterson said they were seeing one thing, a green carpet fiber, with a unique shape. this is a cross-section of that fiber magnified many time tools? it had two very large large lobes and one short lobes. >> the lobe are the three ends of a boomerang shape. >> he showed me a slide taken from another carpet. >> this is a single tuft from the carpet cut in a cross-section. >> i can't tell that's green. >> even putting the tiny fibers under the microscope didn't help
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me. >> how can you tell what color this is? in this, because of the light green, it looks very whitish. >> the colors seem microscopically is not identical to what the overall carpet would be. >> instead, an even more sophisticated microscope. >> i'm going to open this up. >> can separate colors to identify a specific fiber. we took another look. awe, now you're talking. now peterson knew what to look for. >> when i was looking at the fiber at first i had no idea who had made it. i just knew it was very distinctive and i would recognize it instantly. >> but he didn't know where to find it. wayne williams was not yet on anyone's radar. he had freelanced as a tv cameraman who shot fires and overnight news, he told us -- >> i know the streets of atlanta. i've been around a while. being an exnews reporter, nighttime is me. that's the time i'm out most of
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the time. >> now, almost 23, a wannabe music producer, he was trying to form a singing group modeled after the jackson 5. in fact, the afternoon lubie geter disappeared, williams said this receipt shows he had an alibi, auditioning young singers from 4:30 to 8:30 that evening. >> it was a small demo studio. >> kathy andrews was a part owner. >> to my best recollection, he auditioned young kids for a group that never existed. they were roughly as young as 8 and as old, for the kids, they were as old as 11 or 12. >> now, living in another state, kathy andrews did not want her face shown because of what she saw unanother day at her studio. >> at one point in time when wayne came from one of the sessions he walked into the back
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of the studio and he had horrible scratches on his arms. >> deep and painful, criss-crossing both arms. >> it was more this way and that way and that way and that way and that way. and they were angry looking. and when i looked at him the first words out of my mouth was, oh, wayne, what happened. that looks awful? and he said he had fallen into a bush. >> 15-year-old terry pue died late that january, his body dropped by the roadside in a rural county 20 miles from home. he had been strangled. his mother -- >> whoever killed him he had a tussle with him because he had scratched all over him. >> it gives me chills down my spine still. >> to this day, kathy andrews does not believe wayne's explanation. >> he did not fall in a bush. it was after he realized that it was fairly obvious. and i don't know what else could
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have caused that kind of wound on his arm. >> the intervals between murders were shrinking, 19 days in lubie geter's disappearance until terry pue's death and then 15 days until the next victim. soon 13 and then 11 and before long, a body a week! fbi profiler roy hazelwood says this is not unusual for serial killers. >> they come to believe that they, in fact, are almost immune to mistakes, if you will. and they can take greater risks because it's more exciting and because they're so superior they don't have to worry about the police catching them. >> after a month, lubie geter's body found in the woods, the boy left naked except scraps of underwear. the medical examiner said jeter
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had definitely been killed by a chokehold around a neck, a forearm across the neck. it's a question we'll have reason to ask wayne williams by the end of all of this. >> it's actually a very simple question. can you kill someone with a chokehold and when you were 19 years old -- >> you probably could under the right circumstances. >> i know for a fact i could not. when we return -- the boy who wanted to catch a killer -- >> the body was, indeed, another victim of atlanta's child killer or killers. >> i knowed right away it was his body. i was like, oh, my good, mama. >> and later, a failed lie detector test. >> it surprised him that he didn't beat the polygraph test. he was convinced he could beat a polygraph test. be kind to your eyes with transitions lenses. transitions adapt to changing light
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new this evening, jurors in the casey anthony murder trial wrap up day one of deliberations. they reviewed the case for nearly six hours but didn't reach a verdict. deliberations continue tomorrow morning and prosecutors insist casey anthony had the motive to kill 2-year-old caylee. but the defense argues there's no evidence of murder. if convicted, casey could get the death penalty. >> dominique strauss-kahn slapped with new allegations of sexual assault. claims that the former achieve attacked her in 2003 and stras khan could fight new charges fighting a counterclaim for false declarations. he's facing unrelated charges of sexually abusing a hotel maid in new york city. that case is now in jeopardy over questions about the accuserer's credibility. we have a winner in this year's weiner contest. the annual nathan's hotdog
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eating contests polished off 62 hotdogs in 10 minutes but shockingly that was not the most hotdogs eaten today. the arch rival, crushed his record as a separate unofficial event. he got down 69 hotdogs. our special "atlanta child murders" continues next. >> there's yet another twist in the missing and murdered children case. >> atlanta's a city of frustrations and fears. >> as the number of missing and murdered children grows. >> another victim of atlanta's child killer or killers. >> patrick baltazar was the kid who was convinced he could catch a killer. >> he was hike, man i want to
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find this killer and get this reward money and i'm going to buy my mom a house and do this and -- i'm going to find this killer. >> his stepmother, sheila baltazar, was worried. >> for a 10 or 11-year-old child to be talking like that, that was like, wow! where is his mind at? >> patrick was a latch key child, living unsupervised with an older brother in a project apartment near downtown. >> he was very streetwise. >> he stayed out late at night, often at the omni center, now the headquarters of cnn. but back then, a hotel complex with an indoor skating rink and a gameroom for kids. >> that's where he spent a lot of his time at, at the games' arcade. >> wayne williams was known to frequent the omni, passing out these flyers as a talent scout to offer auditions to boys from age 11 on up. >> 15 kids are dead.
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two others are officially missing and listed as -- >> by early february, 1981, more than a dozen african-american boys had been found dead. many dumped in the woods around atlanta. >> i was very fearful. my, god. >> sheila baltazar pleaded to send patrick back home to the rest of his family in rural louisiana. >> if i had somewhere to send my son i would have sent my son. >> one evening, a white man in a big car appeared to threaten patrick and a small friend. >> the little boy said that patrick said, man, that might be the killer. >> patrick used a pay phone to call the police. he told them -- a man was chasing me and my friend in a brown cadillac. >> actually, they thought it was a crank phone call and they didn't send a car out. >> this is a sketch the other boy provided to police after
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patrick was dead. two weeks later on february 6th, patrick stopped by the restaurant where his father worked to ask for money. then walked back toward the omni. he never made it home that night. >> i'm like, he didn't come home? oh, my god. that was the first thing that popped in my head, missing. murdered, oh, my god! >> the atlanta missing person's bureau continued their hunt for this missing child, 11-year-old -- >> one day it seemed like it was a week, that was the longest search in the world. >> it was almost 2:00 p.m. when the may it nance man found the lifeless figure of a young black boy. >> on the seventh day a may it nance man spotted a body, tossed down in the woods, in a parking lot at a suburban office complex. the medical examiner joseph
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burton had to hold on to a rope to get down to the scene. >> he had a ligature mark on his neck like somebody had a ligature and they were behind you arrest off to the side behind you and they closed their hands or fists together and pulled the ligature, basically. >> in other words, killed from behind. >> most likely, yes. >> let me place another sample on this side -- >> state crime lab scientist, larry peterson, attended the autopsy. >> i can recall one autopsy pulling a fiber off of one of the victim's -- it was green carpet and mounted the sample on the slide and looked under the myself microscope and said, it was the same one. >> you knew then? >> it became apparent the body is another victim of atlanta child killers or killer. >> local television carried these pictures live from the crime scene. >> it became apparent it was one of the three children listed as missing. >> sheila baltazar got a call from her mother.
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>> she said they found another body. she said i really feel like this is patrick's body here, you know. >> if he is one of the three missing children the chances are strong he was 11-year-old patrick baltazar. >> mrs. baltazar and her husband went to the funeral home to identify their child. >> they told me he had struggled, you know, for his life. and seeing the print -- the rope print across his neck all the way around the front. >> at patrick baltazar's
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funeral, she would insist on an opened casket. >> i just wanted the world to see that this child could have been anybody's child. >> patrick's fifth grade classmates wrote a poem and read it at his funeral. this, from local tv coverage that day. >> patrick baltazar, our school mate, you came to school though sometimes late, but you were never mean to anyone. you tried to help people. and thought it was fun. then one night, one terrible night, you didn't come home, not even at daylight. something's happened to that boy, the people said. patrick is missing. is patrick dead?
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we cried some and we bowed our heads and hope -- >> for your safety and prayers were said. oh, god, please bring back that missing boy, when he returns we will shout for joy. the police and the news people came and went, in all our hearts was no content. no one could rest until we knew, whatever, whatever, had happened to you. then one day your body was found. out in the woods on the cold, cold ground. someone killed you and dumped you there, it was a mad, cruel person who did not care. there was not a word about how you died. it is no wonder that we all cried. patrick we miss you and wish you knew, how much your schoolmates grieve for you!
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>> in february, 1981, a troublesome tip reached the police. a man involved in the klu klux klan could be atlanta's serial killer. >> atlanta was about to explode and here was information, potentially, that the clan could have been doing this. >> bob ingram, with the gbi, georgia's bureau of investigation, got the case. >> it was an entire family of brothers that were involved in the clan that were the focus of this particular intelligence information. >> and informant said that one brother had threatened lubie geter, the child found dead only weeks before. the clan associate lived here on a dead-end street in the railroad town of mountain view on the outskirts of atlanta. >> we're tapping telephones and we heard a lot of rhetoric. we heard a lot of racial slurs.
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>> on one wiretap, the detectives heard this said -- go find you another little kid? the gbi followed the four brothers for almost two months. >> these family members were under surveillance at the time, physical surveillance, where we had an eyeball on them. >> in those two months, six more black youths would disappear and die. detectives saw nothing to lij the clan to them. >> if somebody was in in with a van or two or three men, you know, to grab somebody and dump them in the back of a van, people would have noticed if they were white. >> the brothers were called in. they took lie detector tests and passed. >> they were polygraph and cleared as to their involvement in the killing of atlanta's children. >> clearing the clan didn't stop
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the murders. joe joe bell was one of the victims that vanished during the time. he used to hang out at this seafood carrier place. >> he'd come in and do anything, i'd give him $1, long enough to get money to the to go to the show or buy something at the store. >> joe joe bell, unrelated to yusef bell, came by one last time. >> about 3:30 or 4:00 on monday, he came by and stuck his head in the door and said, richard i'm going to shoot basketball. i'll see you later. throwed his hand up and went on up the street. >> to a schoolyard basketball court like this. this witness, eugeneless we are knew joe joe and saw him leave the game. he said he left in a station wagon that looked like this. he testified he got in the car, got in wayne's car. >> in court, he would identify
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wayne williams as the driver. >> lugene lester, an eyewitness, said you gave a ride to joe joe bell in your station wagon. >> okay. >> did you? >> no, i did not. >> you never gave him a ride? >> no, i did not. >> williams did not deny he was the driver. he, instead, insisted his passenger had to be someone else. joe joe bell was never to be seen again. >> the horrendous if another child dies, period. >> a week later, sammy davis jr. and frank sinatra came to atlanta for a concert to benefit the children. the photographer up on stage, that's wayne's father, homer williams, with the black newspaper, "atlanta world." >> how come you don't got no tux
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on. >> that's the future mayor, kasim reed. >> i remember that. so cool meeting frank sinatra. >> as a young child, reed would help the volunteers searching atlanta's woods every saturday. >> we literally would walk through wooded areas, chaperoned, and we would walk for a period of time until about an hour before nightfall. >> but now, a new twist in the murders. patrick baltazar, the 20th victim, would be the last child to turn up in a wooded area. a day or two later, an official would tell reporters that fibers and dog hairs were being collected from the victim's clothing. the next child to die would be found in a river, wearing nothing but underpants. fewer clues now for larry peterson. >> we're talking maybe a dozen or dozens of fibers as opposed
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to hundreds or potentially thousands of fibers. >> the 13-year-old victim was found beneath this bridge over the south river, in atlanta's suburbs. a driver crossing that bridge earlier in the week saw a man leaning over the railing. it turned out to be the same afternoon joe joe bell disappeared. at the trial, the witness said the man was wayne williams. joe. 's body was not found until ten days, floated far down the river, almost into another county. >> he also had nothing on but underwear, basically. >> medical examiner, joseph burton, went out in a boat to retrieve to boy. >> the body wrapped in a sheet. i'm the one with the shirt off. >> dr. burton ruled both boys had been asphyxiated.
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>> we had no history of either one of those boys swimming in the south river in their underwear. >> other bodies were washing up in the chattahoochee river, to the west and north of atlanta. five victims in the river in the next six weeks. >> i said, you know, if i was doing that i would be throwing them off the bridge. >> fbi agent, he grew up on a river in tennessee and he knew if something, to float downstream it had to be dropped in the middle of a river. he suggested the bridge stakeout. >> he looked at remote places, dark places. we believed it would be at nighttime as opposed to daytime. >> the fbi and police began night watches at 14 bridges over the chattahoochee and south rivers. stakeouts were to last four weeks. nothing until the very end. >> we, at that point, were ready for that to be our last night.
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and wayne williams showed up that night. >> just before 3:00 a.m., the station what again drove on to the bridge. >> he waited a couple more hours. we might not have been there. >> otherwise we would have missed him. >> next -- the night on the bridge. >> you said, i know this is about those boys, isn't it? >> correct. that's what i said. >> pretty damning statement, don't you think? [ slap! ]
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>> that night on the bridge, wayne williams says police made him the scape goat because he was black. >> soledad, when this case happened, if those miss had arrested a white man, atlanta would have erupted, as well as several major citieses. you possibly would have had another race war. >> no, said the fbi chief. >> atlanta police department side, they were looking for a